I recently met a former US ambassador who had served in a challenging post in an important country and achieved great results.

“What is the difference between a good and bad ambassador?” I asked.

Without missing a beat, he replied “When you meet the top person – the head of state or the ambassador or the CEO – make sure you don’t ignore the others in the room. Make sure you get to know the people underneath the top people…and then the people underneath them. They will matter a lot more to you”

He proceeded to talk of how multiple times he managed to get things done not because he had influence with the top person but thanks to the relationships he had built with their reports and their reports. He knew the names of their kids, whether they hated their bosses, who was in power and who wasn’t, what their hopes were and had active relationships with all.

Any smart deal maker or diplomat intuitively knows this but I’m shocked by how often people can be dismissive to the less senior people. This is not just bad manners but can easily work against your case. I use “top person” to mean any ultimate decision maker (CEO, head of state, senior exec).

The top person will not have the time to dig into the details of what you want (deal, request, favor, escalation) . They will almost always hand it off to some of their reports who can then choose to prioritize it or or not in any number of ways.

Once you get a nod from the top person, you can’t go back to them again easily. If you’re stuck with the team underneath not making progress and you surface it back to the top person, you might make the whole thing awkward in ways that will be irretrievable.

The top people will rarely want to overrule their team for an outsider – that will cause them enormous internal headaches and issues.

The junior people always have more time and passions that might align with yours. They might want to impress you because they want a future job with you or want to work in your industry in the future. Or maybe they just follow your podcast or Twitter account and like you. You can invite them to your events, send them introductions, grab a coffee with them, build genuine relationships in ways that may be impossible with a much busier senior person.

They have more discretion over the details and can nudge a decision your way where for a top person to intervene would raise eyebrows. You will have lot more success getting an Apple PM or Google PM to fix your issue than emailing Tim Cook or Sundar. I know of at least one industry defining partnership that happened because a 23 year old marketing manager was a good friend with a little known (the) startup’s founder.

What to NOT do

On the flip side, I’ve easily seen people blow up their own cause by not understanding this.

What to DO

The key is simple: build authentic relationships that understand the other people’s needs.